This is a really important discussing I have been mulling over in my mind. If you have any comments on my breakdown of them, let me know. I actually kind of hate acronyms, but they get thrown around a lot, so I will quickly define them, before really launching into it.
MGTOW-Men going their own way
MRA- mens rights activist
PUA- pick up artist
Their general attitude and concerns:
The easiest way to visualize these three, is to think of it as a sliding scale, on one side is the PUA, the opposite end is the MRA, and MGTOW is in the middle.
This is based on their professed attitude towards women among other things. The PUA is all about slamming out as many women as he can, he does not ‘hate’ women in any capacity other than perhaps their occasional stupidity, because women are the source of their notches and their kicks. PUA primary concern is as much sex with as many girls as possible.
MGTOW is in the middle, they have an inherent distrust of women, until proven otherwise which is rare. As per based on their name, they are quite content going through life without a women, this does not mean they are gay. Most MGTOW will spend a day or night with a girl if she seems decent, but it by no means is ANY priority, more of it just happens. MGTOW primary concern is living their own life, without a women dragging it down.
MRA are perhaps the most anti-women, they have a very high distrust of women, and their hatred is palpable. What is important to note, is both MRA and MGTOW likely did NOT grow up hating women, but were forced to reexamine their views. Anyone growing up hating women likely became a PUA, ironically. MRA primary concern is the social injustice of male/female.
Where did these three come from?
Typically there is a definite stereotype that all three of these variously hail from. Remember this is a counter culture movement, so they are all KIND OF the same, but the more time you spent in the culture, the differences become obvious.
PUA: Was a lesser alpha, or a wannabealpha in high school, likely the football team quarterback’s friend. Someone who was not the #1, but bathed in this aura. Thus he grew up with some attention, but left him desiring more. Likely bodybuilder types now, if they work out.
MGTOW: Likely an outsider group growing up. Not in the main social scene, but not its victims either. Even at a younger age showed a bit of a disdain for the system, not that into images (as much as a high schooler could be), typically a small core group that they never really deviated from. Likely functional athletes if they work out (endurance mixed with weights)
MRA: Most likely a victim in high school, probably of high intellect, such as someone on a debate. He was smart, but victimized for it. Your very typical beta, follows all the rules, and hopes to get ahead by them. Unlikely to work out, but if they do typically joggers.
Examples of them on the internet and how I went through them :
When I first found the scene about 2 years ago it kind of blew my mind. I was desperate for answers as to why this girl broke my heart and my life was nearly fucked over by a single girl, what did I do wrong, ‘what did women want’ and so on. The first site I found actually no longer exists, but he was a hybrid between PUA and MGTOW, it was a guy named shark and his website solvemygirlproblems.
It was revolutionary to me, he started with the premise that girls are inherently untrustworth, bitchy, and liable to backstab unless kept in line. He had a revolutionary idea: TO LIVE FOR YOURSELF. To someone lost in the desert of society, utterly abandoned because badasses arent susposed to cry or have girl problems it was a draught of much needed liquid for my thirst. Each post was filled with both anger, and a will to triumph, the odds were against us as men, but we alone knew what it was like to dig deep amidst overwhelming odds and press on.
I found cheateau heratise and rationale male pretty soon after, they are both HARD on the PUA side of the spectrum. Their art was that of seemingly stupid and unconventional tactics supposedly designed to attract woman for the slamming. I was like ‘well, what the hell, my prior shit got me rocked, so lets try it.’ And you know what? It works. Much to feminists chagrin. I could be this dismissive jerk, and the girls were coming in.
Meanwhile, I would see post and comments not about getting girls but about the societal injustices fraught in our society. About the more men in jail. The unfairness of marriage, of child support, of living your life for the women. And they resonated with me, because I had seen much injustice in those around me at the hands of women and society. These are the MRA people. There are few devoted MRA sites, but MRAs are sprinkled around.
Here is the conclusions, and a very important part of the whole discussion.
I will start with MRA first. Both the MRA and the MGTOW typically were screwed to one degree or another by girls, (admittedly by often their own lack of how women actually are), but the people who go into MRA often take it harder, or had the harder reality slapping them in the face.
I am going to state it bluntly: I think the MRA are totally justified in their anger, and their goals, but I do not particularly trust MRA and think they are one night of sex away from abandoning their movement. A big part of it is think about their past, these are likely the guys that did not get much attention, and any attention was likely negative. Somehow they got a girl, subsequently hurt, and now rage against the system, but all it will take is one girl ‘oh, come here you…’ and suddenly all their professed anger is gone. The strongest of the rationilizers.
Again, I 100% support their mission of social injustice, I just do not think it has any teeth behind it unfortunately, and I believe in most cases the anger is just their response of no girl liking them. Once a girl likes them, they are off the boat. Loyalty: Traitorous
PUAs are on the other end, they are up front, their one goal is to pump and dump as many girls as they can. If amidst their STD dodging they find ‘the one’ they will try to marry her. The irony of course is high here, but again, I am simply stating how it is. Clubs are the typical location of PUA, or the braver ones try street pickups.
PUA do no carry the anger of MGTOW or MRA, because they were never really screwed by girls, they never got all the attention their true alpha friends got, but they got a taste of it, and want more. Very likely sex addicts based on their goal. Typically well adjusted, but again, based on their goals likely to only be a lesser alpha at best, as a real alpha would not have to resort to tactics, or even ‘think’ about what he is doing. I do not want to make it sound like their stuff doesnt work, it totally does, and it VERY useful for understanding girls.
One major complaint I have about the PUA is despite all three group essentially being on the same side, they are VERY quick to demonize MGTOW and MRA. Kind of a latent high school mentality, by bashing someone else down, it makes them look so much ‘cooler’. Often you will see statements ‘you are just upset you cant get any’ or ‘unsuccessful with women’ its ironic how these are the exact same epithets FEMINISTS use. Ahh, the irony. I can’t speak for all MGTOW (which is what I consider myself) but I am not ‘unsuccessful’ with women, I actually have success when I try, but I truly don’t care to bother with how fucked up modern girls are. Nor do I really want the host of diseases they carry.
These PUA are your ‘bros’ at frats. Loyalty: ‘Loyal’ if no girl is around, will slit your throat once she is…thus Traitorous
Last is the MGTOW, the easiest way to understand these type is think back to their earlier life, they were not really in the scene, not victors of it, and not victims of it. Because they gave some woman a chance and were hurt badly they are not in a rush to get back to it, thus they go back to their outsider mentality. Lo and behold that they find…its actually a pretty nice place to be. Girls are dumb as hell, but the MGTOW doesnt have to even talk to her, the MRA injustices are certainly true, but generally escapable by the simple act of not interacting with women.
I think ‘modern girls’ are severely lacking in intellect, not because their brains are incapable of thinking, but that simply society does not require them to really ‘think’ at all, thus they are not forced to know ANYTHING other than subtly manipulating guys.
The MGTOW essentially have come to terms with the situation in front of them. Their see the injustice the MRA see, and they see the hypocrisy of women’s stated desires vs their real desires PUA see. MGTOW are not driven by racking up notch counts, nor do they have the supposed passion but lack of will the MRA have.
MGTOW have seen reality from the bottom, been fucked, taken advantage of, or otherwise screwed by hands that were eitehr female, or under female control. They realize the game is against them, and instead of playing it like the PUA to set a high score, they essential say, ‘fuck this, I am going to live my own life. If a girl is there, fine, but I have damn high standards, because I do not need a girl to “make my life complete”. I am living my own damn life by my rules.’
MGTOW are not in the business of screwing their fellow man, mainly because for the most part have written off nearly a whole sex, so they need allies somewhere. They are not the backstabbers of MRA who claim to be on your side until a girl bats an eye at them, nor are they the bros who will have a beer with you, but throw you down to prove to the latest whore how sick they are. They are just living. And just want to be left the fuck alone.